Andrew Huberman

I normally say that, but yeah.

I always just raise it just to be clear what we're talking about.

I understood your position on that.

The thing inside that we know is our true heart's desire that allows us to navigate the external pressures and the roles, these ego labels that we've given ourselves and that others have given us.

Do you know any practices to help cultivate that?

being in touch with that.

And Shunya is defined as the void.

Yeah, there's no thought of roles or anything else.

He seems to come up almost every episode, but my good friend, Rick Rubin, who you would absolutely enjoy spending time with, and he with you, I'm certain of that, just talking with you today and knowing him very well, has talked a lot and written a lot about how this...

getting beyond or outside or separate from the ego is the essence of really the work he does with creative artists.

It's really getting them outside of the perceptions of others.

It's one of the reasons why

when he's worked with artists when they're not yet famous.

They might be ambitious, they might want some of that, but they're just doing their art.

They're not filtering it through feedback.

And there's something so beautiful about that.

Then it gets contaminated.

And then the work over time is to ask whether or not people can get beyond that.

But you're talking about Shunya, is that how you pronounce it?

Accessing this void.