Andrew Huberman

But evolution,

there's a lot of modern features that make like accountability for offspring and things like, it's not like men can run around just having kids with anyone and afford all of that, right?

I mean, you know, we were talking earlier, there's sort of like two models.

There's like the Genghis Khan ideal within this evolutionary biology model.

And then there's, you know, kind of like, where are we now?

I mean, I don't think anyone,

with the exception of some very wealthy people who have kids with lots and lots of people and clearly can afford it.

I don't think anyone's thinking they're going to go out and just have kids with as many people as they possibly can.

Right.

So this is not my belief, but the cynical incel types on the internet or just cynical guys will say, oh, that's because women are sleeping around more than they used to when the first experiment was done.

I don't believe that's true, but I can tell you that would be their reflexive response.

Like, like there's, so there's this ammo, there are these arrows.

One side holds the guys aren't stepping up.

They're not, they're not managing their own lives, let alone making themselves somebody who would be attractive as a partner who could listen and do and take help, take care of somebody.

Cause the notion of taking care of something that we can talk about, the guys are saying, well,

they're just all extractive, you know, that, and there's deceptiveness there and they'll trade up at a moment's notice, you know?

And, and so, I mean, I don't want to feed the flames of distrust, but the data you just provided, what are they, what is the conclusion?

Like, so that's the result, but in that paper, what's the, the authors, you know, we, the authors therefore conclude that.

In light of the apps, social media, this divide, I'm very grateful that you're bringing up this notion of spending time in small groups, probably around certain activities.

Could be pickleball, could be a barbecue, could be, I mean, that's how people used to meet.