Andrew Milgram

was an entrepreneur and dealt with unions and dealt with large capital projects and used to bring me the meetings he would have.

He would come to New York on business, he would bring me.

I grew up in a little town in Southeast Texas.

We would go to Dallas and he'd wear a suit.

He'd sit me in the corner and I would just listen.

So from really early ages, we spent a lot of time together.

So when he passed away, he had a heart attack.

We were on a Boy Scout camp out.

And that was obviously a devastating time and a devastating moment.

And it shaped who I am.

It shaped who my sister is.

It completely reshaped my mom's life and how she saw herself and what her role was.

It changed our whole trajectory.

It also, by the way, showed the colors of people around us.

So there were people who I would say we thought were good friends and close and reliable counterparties.

And at the moment of truth, people don't like messes.

They don't like difficult situations.

And we saw people retreat.

And I took a lot away from that.

At the same time, we also saw people of real character lean in.