Andrew Rose (UK)

Who's responsible for protecting that? Is it the vendor? Is it the John Deere that's selling the tractor? Or is it the farmer? Where does that liability ultimately fall? I know it's a hot potato, but someone needs to figure that out. Because farmers, that's one more headache right now in an over-regulated environment with climatic impacts, geopolitical impacts.

Who's responsible for protecting that? Is it the vendor? Is it the John Deere that's selling the tractor? Or is it the farmer? Where does that liability ultimately fall? I know it's a hot potato, but someone needs to figure that out. Because farmers, that's one more headache right now in an over-regulated environment with climatic impacts, geopolitical impacts.

It's just one more thing that's just going to be on their shoulders. So I would love to see us adopt some sort of policy very similar to crop insurance. that can give us some sort of backstop, some sort of reinsurance agent for the agricultural community in the event that these cyber attacks happen. I mean, that's just us sitting back and absorbing these blows.

It's just one more thing that's just going to be on their shoulders. So I would love to see us adopt some sort of policy very similar to crop insurance. that can give us some sort of backstop, some sort of reinsurance agent for the agricultural community in the event that these cyber attacks happen. I mean, that's just us sitting back and absorbing these blows.

Again, you know me, I relate to CSGO a little bit more on the offensive side of things too. I think that we have under, our adversaries have obviously dominated the other attack surfaces other than the kinetics, you know, bullets and bombs, they're sabotage, espionage, cyber information warfare. They view those all as domains of warfare. We don't.

Again, you know me, I relate to CSGO a little bit more on the offensive side of things too. I think that we have under, our adversaries have obviously dominated the other attack surfaces other than the kinetics, you know, bullets and bombs, they're sabotage, espionage, cyber information warfare. They view those all as domains of warfare. We don't.

And so we're then left to absorb these blows, pass the pain on to the farmers and business owners and others out there. Our cyber community is just under so much stress right now because they're constantly having to put fires out and stomping on moles rather than having the ability for us to slap back a little bit and get some breathing room there.

And so we're then left to absorb these blows, pass the pain on to the farmers and business owners and others out there. Our cyber community is just under so much stress right now because they're constantly having to put fires out and stomping on moles rather than having the ability for us to slap back a little bit and get some breathing room there.

But again, these are Andrew Rose's opinions, not the BioISAC's opinions.

But again, these are Andrew Rose's opinions, not the BioISAC's opinions.

And that ties back into something you said before, too. One of the things that I spoke about when I was in Chicago on the future of the food supply chain was that a lot of companies these days do what I call chasing nines. They got 99.999% efficiency, and they're chasing that next nine in there. And they're building these tech stacks on top of tech stacks.

And that ties back into something you said before, too. One of the things that I spoke about when I was in Chicago on the future of the food supply chain was that a lot of companies these days do what I call chasing nines. They got 99.999% efficiency, and they're chasing that next nine in there. And they're building these tech stacks on top of tech stacks.

And for me, the more agile you become, the more fragile you become. All it takes is one little piece of that now falling apart and the entire tech stack then collapses. And what is the point? What added benefit and efficiency is that really going to do given how fragile the system is, complicated the system is in a complex world?

And for me, the more agile you become, the more fragile you become. All it takes is one little piece of that now falling apart and the entire tech stack then collapses. And what is the point? What added benefit and efficiency is that really going to do given how fragile the system is, complicated the system is in a complex world?

Well, Darren, there's a simple answer to that. I mean, we're just following the path that politicians have laid. I mean, most politicians are lawyers, so they're risk averse to begin with. They don't want to get ahead of a known issue that's going to explode on someone's watch until after it explodes. If they get ahead of it, they could be wrong. It could be used against them.

Well, Darren, there's a simple answer to that. I mean, we're just following the path that politicians have laid. I mean, most politicians are lawyers, so they're risk averse to begin with. They don't want to get ahead of a known issue that's going to explode on someone's watch until after it explodes. If they get ahead of it, they could be wrong. It could be used against them.

If they wait for that explosion to happen, now they look like a hero. They pour buckets of money on it. and they build regulations around it so it won't happen again. So they're incentivized on paying the price later on rather than, again, we're talking rational sentences here in an irrational world.

If they wait for that explosion to happen, now they look like a hero. They pour buckets of money on it. and they build regulations around it so it won't happen again. So they're incentivized on paying the price later on rather than, again, we're talking rational sentences here in an irrational world.

Well, I think also reframing that question a little bit. I don't think anyone needs to die. I think all it's going to take, and you've heard me say it many times, if your kid goes five days without food, you're going to break a law. In three weeks without food, the government's going to fall. I mean, you're still technically going to have a pulse in your body. I mean, you'll be dying.

Well, I think also reframing that question a little bit. I don't think anyone needs to die. I think all it's going to take, and you've heard me say it many times, if your kid goes five days without food, you're going to break a law. In three weeks without food, the government's going to fall. I mean, you're still technically going to have a pulse in your body. I mean, you'll be dying.