Andrew Weissmann

It's a bigger circle than I think.

Exactly.

And I don't think it's fair to say, well, it would have to be with Rubio's approval.

I mean, it could be, but I mean, I'm speculating.

But you could also...

have numerous people and again one thing you could look at is you know there was a communication that led to the first impeachment which was a conversation between the president of the united states and the president of ukraine and they're actually yes it was relatively close hold but there still were a lot of people who either knew about it directly or indirectly and so you

You're right that it's not a huge universe, but you could have that leak, that kind of leak, without a senior person having said this should happen.

And just remember, when you leak something like this, there can be real costs to what are called methods and means.

Because in order to do this, you don't want people to think, oh, if they got that conversation

if you're the quote unquote bad guy, they're going to be trying to reverse engineer.

How could they get it?

And you're starting over from scratch.

And you're double checking every place where you, where did you have that conversation?

You know, if I was in my living room and I had it, you're going to be just suddenly, you know, searching your living room for all the bugs there.

Well, the theory is, starting with Obama, and I presume ending with Jack Smith, there was this overarching conspiracy.

Good luck with that.

I mean, there's just so many counterfactual arguments.

But anyway, okay.

Yeah.

And then the argument for venue is, well, part of the plot included a court-approved,