André Duqum

I think it's this.

How does that change how you live?

That awareness?

Nothing to lose, nothing to win.

Nothing to lose.

In the Third Zen Patriarch, they open with, the great way is not difficult for those with no preferences.

And it reminds me just of what you said, of when you have this experience of there's no inside, no outside, nothing to lose, nothing to win.

That's freedom.

Kind of, yeah.

It's like, then...

We're no longer under the constant tyranny of thinking that our ideal life is somewhere externally to be acquired.

It's here right now, living it in the moment.

And all these practices, the understanding of the hindrances, the Eightfold Path, the practices of the breath, I think all these have just been incredible reminders to come back into that realization.

But you need to at some point go to the other shore.

If you had 60 seconds to share one message with humanity, simple, simple ask, what would it be?

We'll need to put that at the beginning.

I think people will be eager to hear what was said.

Shengyi, it's been such a pleasure.

I...

I love the variance and the differences in who I get to sit across from, from different paths, different walks of life.