André Duqum

And one thing that's interesting for me is just –

what attention is from their perspective and really the goal for moving from like unconsciousness to consciousness from this like compulsive reactionary state that we find ourself in, often originating in this sense of discomfort towards agency, towards responding instead of reacting.

And I'm curious your thoughts on that because they would, the way that a lot of

those wisdom traditions would phrase it is that, uh, Tanha, which is craving, which is the pulling towards, um, you know, it's the craving and the aversion, this like the grasping for is actually rooted in a video, which is ignorance, uh, ignorance of self, um,

you in many ways slip into like a hypnotic state when you are getting pulled by like that dopaminergic urge for pleasure because you can't be with discomfort like you're speaking to.

I'm curious what you thought there and any interesting findings.

Well, I'm just curious your thoughts on how, like I'm always looking to go back into the root and the origin of why something's happening because then you have actual,

you can affect the actual chain of causality instead of just working on the surface level, right?

We try to change our thoughts, but we don't examine often the beliefs that the thoughts are originating from often.

And when it comes to attention...

I love how you brought it back to the discomfort is the motivating force that puts us in a direction where it's like, it's like unconsciousness.

You know, I think of life as like time and energy because a certain amount of time and energy and what we're doing with our attention at any given moment is what we're doing with that time and energy.

And for me, it's like a really painful realization when you think that you might be living your life unconsciously, not in the way that you intend to, you know?

Yeah, and just an important highlight there from what you said is like to be distracted, you have to know what you're being distracted from.

Yes, exactly.

And so I'd love for you to elaborate a bit on that because unless you have a plan, unless you know what it is you actually value and want, then you're just swimming in a sea of pleasure seeking.

You don't have really a North Star in which you don't want to be distracted from.

No, it's such a good reminder.

I wonder how many people listening have lived life, lived a single day completely intentionally consciously.

It sounds like, I mean, I think it'd be very hard to at least at not one point in the day get pulled into, you know, some sort of a distraction.