André Duqum

And through that, you're giving to the greater whole.

I mean, the relatability and the arc of your journey, I feel like, is also what allows you to connect with so many people.

Yeah.

Like, because... This is life.

Yeah.

Right, because we're under this consistent thought that like happiness is the goal.

We're supposed to be like happy moment to moment.

How would you describe your feeling of like joy, of fulfillment?

Like what is the better approximation of really what it means to not miss our life?

Would you say around your late 50s when you went on that trail, was that a time where you really kind of collapsed or stopped misconflating internal worth with external success?

I'm sure it's a theme that still comes up, but that gap...

And that perceived relation between external success and it being enough.

How have you guarded...

when your passion turns into a business, how do you guard the, you know, because it can quickly become this engine and this machine that's running and you become, again, like a cog in it instead of, you know, we can become disconnected from the original intent.

YouTube algorithm, bless us with a one out of 10.

Come on, you can do it.

It's interesting because we both have that side.

And then also when our work is aligned with what we want to see more of in the world, success becomes, at least the story I'm telling myself, a benevolent altruistic thing.

The more success means the more positive impact in the world.

So it's like both of these balances, right?