André Duqum

And it seems like so much of what we want is being informed by unconscious drives that we're not fully aware of and privy to.

I think you gave an example of this patient, Ben, in your book.

And it's the case that so many of us, you know, face.

And I'm just curious how you examine and think about

what we want, what's worth wanting, and just the difference there between the genuine desires that have a generative component towards our life that are true to who we are and how we want to express ourself and connect with the world, and the ones that are sort of masquerading as noble virtues that are really being driven from a fear of being like your dad, for example.

Yeah.

Yeah, there is, in my conversation with Gabor Mate, I remember him mentioning the difference between like the feeling of being called towards something in life that has a sense of inspiration and like a lightness to it versus being driven by something.

It's like the shoulds within us.

And often like the things we're being driven by are usually tied to some sort of historical unconscious thing.

That's stored within us.

And it sounds like the former is way more fruitful, you know, by listening to the things we feel genuinely called towards.

And it sounds like that's what the generative drive essentially is.

How successfully in your life do you feel you've separated your internal feeling of enoughness with the external outcomes and measures of your endeavors?

Yeah.

No, that's great.

I appreciate that share.

I think so many of us can relate.

I certainly do.

I know a lot of people listening probably relate how often we collapse our success with the validation externally, whether it's money, success, whatever it is.

And I know you work with so many prolific individuals, celebrities, influencers, creators, business leaders, musicians, and...