André Duqum

It's really beautiful.

She just agreed to do a podcast with me.

But like for a lot of the men that maybe have that self-reliant tendency, okay, there's a death of self that needs to occur to realize that

growth actually likely is going to come most by turning into the world, whether it's business, whether it's relationships, but we can view all these different aspects of life as continual opportunities to deepen connection with self and other, which we were formerly under the presumption of like to move away from that stuff.

I think you mentioned something in the last podcast of like,

I can live on top of a disco when you're awakened and when you're enlightened, but you don't want to.

Right.

Yeah.

But being able to and going and meeting those different, you know, challenging at times circumstances like raising kids often will give you the experience of.

Yeah.

I've always loved that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, so any extra thoughts there you have on turning towards the world and by embracing the fullness of experience like that being actually where you're going to find the most growth?

What does it come back to?

I know you have this unique combination of both being a non-dual practitioner for so many years and then doing this deep emotional work.

So you get to see the patterns of what's the origination, what's underneath the surface of what people proclaim they want and what they say they need are and all these things.

They're seeking something, which they might say is X, Y, and Z, fill in the blank.

Yeah.

But there's so many of these sayings of like, what you're looking for is the place you're looking from.