Andy Ellis

But they show that right initiative and that willingness to learn.

And they really quickly can even come into a sock roll and be willing to kick butt.

However, it's a really big ocean right now.

And there's a lot of especially folks coming out of college and you got to differentiate yourself.

So how are you going to do that?

I think that's the core of the question here that you're getting from your San Diego group.

So lots of options there.

Minor cost or no cost.

We always talked about home security labs as being a thing, but those are becoming cheaper now.

with all of the AWS and Azure free instances you can do.

We mentioned AI.

You can start open web UI instances at home for fun to play around with.

Contribute to open source projects.

Hack the box.

I mean, overall, if you show initiative and you're willing to tinker, play, try, and you can articulate that, like I want that person in my camp and they're going to be ready for SOC activity.

Good advice.

So true.

I think it's so easy to find a nonprofit that wants help.

You just got to find something you're passionate about.

And generally, they don't have the money to do it.