Andy Greenberg

That was his life.

What does he show you?

Well, we started talking on the encrypted messaging and calling app signal, and he

did immediately start to send me like really detailed material.

He sent me his own written report explaining how everything worked in the compound, a flow chart of the processes of how they hook victims, how they build trust with them, how they essentially cash them out in the end.

He sent me photos of things inside of the office, the big Chinese ceremonial drum that people are allowed to play when they scam someone for more than $100,000.

He showed me a whiteboard.

There was a kind of leaderboard of who had scammed the most that month with each of their pseudonyms and their total scam amounts.

And he would even send me videos sometimes inside the compound.

Well, there was this brief period every day when he would like get up in his dormitory and then walk around outside before he headed into his office to begin his 15 or 16 hour night shift.

And during that time, we would sometimes speak on signal.

He would pretend he would call me uncle and pretend that I was his uncle back home if anybody overheard us.

And we would check in that way every day.

And then a couple of times he would say, okay, record your screen now.

And then he would turn on his camera on signal and show me where he was and pretend to keep talking to me, but actually be filming his surroundings.

It's not maybe what you would imagine.

There were no like barbed wire walls around it.

He was not held in shackles.

It was a collection of buildings inside this kind of strange city state that is the Golden Triangle.

He could walk around freely between these buildings.