Andy Greenberg
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first heard Apr 2026
last heard 28 May
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Apple News Today · He said yes to an IT job. He ended up enslaved in a scam compound. · 4 Apr 2026
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We're seeing task forces set up at the highest levels.
What we are not seeing, I think, still is a recognition of the victims on the other side of this crime.
The human trafficking that is happening at an enormous scale.
Well, I do think that there has to be a recognition that the scammer on the other side is a victim, too, in many cases.
It's very difficult for, you know...
western victims of scams to know that for sure like there are some scammers who are doing it fully voluntarily and profiting themselves but in many cases that scammer is a victim we see lots of people trying to like you know engage with scammers to waste their time yeah i've done that before myself and now i feel guilty i feel guilty having done that
Sadly, I do think it's very often really counterproductive because those people are victims sometimes to an even greater degree than the victim of the scam.
You know, they're somebody who's being held in a system of modern slavery.
What I think, like, the larger point I would want to make, this is not a message for the scamming victims, but for...
The American government for law enforcement is that this is what happens if you take this approach of only trying to protect people from scams, but you don't care about the hundreds of thousands of people who are victims of human trafficking across South Asia and Africa being pulled into Southeast Asia.
If you treat all of that as somebody else's problem, then this giant money funnel stealing from Americans dies.
bankrupting an entire generation of Americans, that will persist.
You need to think about it internationally.
You need to think about the victims in those other countries as well.
It's very hard to say.
Like, we see raids like the one I mentioned that targeted the compound that Red Bull was in, but they're very often kind of performative raids.
It turns out even that one that his bosses were evading was kind of a catch-and-release raid where, like, other compounds got hit and people were rounded up, but then released immediately to continue scamming.
There's so much corruption in this area that a lot of the raids and crackdowns are fake, and it's very hard to tell the difference.
I'm a cybersecurity reporter.
I feel like I'm pretty skeptical.
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