Andy Greenwald

And maybe they're right.

Yeah.

And joke's on us.

But generally, pendulums swing.

And then what are we doing?

And then what are the ruins that we're left with?

So...

See you guys next week to talk about the Top Chef finale.

How do you document it when you're not on the show?

Do you take notes?

Not the way he lives his life.

This is how I feel about movies and TV too, honestly.

I don't think he's wrong.

I have a William H. Macy and Boogie Nights attitude towards people working between the two mediums.

So I would say it's interesting the way you're framing it, because I think there's a different way to look at I think there's a way to look at the rise in an important way, certainly for the big picture podcast and the movie industry to look at the success of those movies as.

fresh blood coming in, fresh voices, fresh perspective, and audience's desire to be taken on those trips.

What I would counter with is the most recent comparison to something like a phenomenon like Backrooms would be The Pit.

And the reason I say The Pit is not because these are young people showing you a fresh way in.

That is the opposite of what The Pit is.

It is old hands.