Andy Greenwald

And it's a lot harder.

I mean, television is a assembly line, even at its most prestige or auteur driven, you still need to, unless you're being asked to do something that is radically outside the norm of a series order, you have to conform in ways.

And you have to have, you have to kind of know what you're doing or surround yourself with people who know what they're doing in a way that I think is less

I mean, that exists in movies, obviously, but I think it's less interventionist maybe in movies where a kid has a vision for something and then obviously he has line producers and professionals making it a movie.

But that's different than saying, we will write this and execute it across 10 hours and deliver it in a traditional television.

I think you're right.

I think I'm being too conservative in my vision in that way.

Like there was a moment when

it wasn't just that there was a moment when streamers needed to get attention, not just retain subscribers, so they were willing to take bigger risks on things in the hopes of hitting a home run, but that creators like Phoebe Waller-Bridge and Donald Glover and a host of others, Michaela Cole I would put in there as well, essentially jumped the line in what has been often to its detriment, but sometimes, parentheses, the pit, not to its detriment,

kind of stodgy and kind of wait your turn.

Yes.

An example we use a lot is like Mad Men.

The Mad Men pilot was the spec that Matthew Weiner wrote when he was working on the Ted Danson sitcom Becker in order to be hired by David Chase to spend however many years, four or five, six years writing

At his knee, basically writing that show before he got a chance.

And the reason he got a chance when he was older than those creators we just mentioned was because AMC was in a position that a few years later, Netflix and Amazon were in slightly where they were like, we'll do the thing everyone else won't.

And we're kind of kind of past that.

Well, I've got five options.

I started my day on London time today.

So these are peak hours right now.

Could we transfer ourselves?