Andy Stumpf

I don't want to believe him.

I want to think he's a bullshit artist, but I believe him.

There's something about one guy who's a clearly brilliant guy who's been telling the same story since 1988.

Yeah.

And like you said, a volume of other stories, some of them I think you can completely write off.

But other ones, pretty tough from pretty credible people who aren't making claims like, hey, I sat down and had a beer with this thing.

But like I was in an aircraft that has a certain performance envelope and we understand the performance envelope of what humans are able to fly at this point and –

Yeah.

This thing did things that I don't understand.

Sometimes the videos get, I mean, I was talking with, you know, Bill Thompson.

You just had him on.

Love that dude.

He is like, he's one of my favorite people.

You got to be cautious how deep of a question you ask him.

Right.

Because he has national defense level autism at times.

DEFCON 5.

You're like, Bill, what's your favorite color?

He's like, oh, what is color?

Like, fuck, no, that's not.