Andy Stumpf

It's not going to make sense.

That sounds dangerous, but just for the sake of danger, which somebody could 100% say about base jumping as well.

But I don't know if holding on to, say, an M80 and wondering how long you can provides for you –

That mental, I mean, I'm talking about your canopy opens, you land, you're laying in a fucking meadow in Switzerland on your back, like at a sense of ease and peace.

I don't think you're getting that from an M-80.

No.

You see that in the wingsuiting community.

I would say specifically the wingsuit based jumping community.

The fatality rate is high.

I would never tell anybody that it is a safe activity, but I think you can do it as safely as possible.

There's still immense residual risk.

So you have to ask yourself, what is it worth?

I think the Dunning-Kruger effect is always the most dangerous aspect of it.

I think you would probably track, you certainly see people, especially in the

content age, I've seen people reach out, not to me, but to forums, hey, I just want to get into wingsuit-based jumping as fast as possible.

And everybody on there is like, whoa, no, you need to go.

I mean, most people will recommend skydiving 200 jumps to even before you put a wingsuit on, which for most people who aren't doing it professionally, that's going to take a year or two.

It's a slow progression.

But that person reaching out saying that doesn't have time for that.

So you're definitely going to get some people early on.