Andy Stumpf

Yeah.

I don't know where the SEAL community is with that, but I bet you they're close.

The numbers will eclipse for sure.

So it is an issue, but it is an unavoidable issue.

Every situation is different to a degree that they share some similarities.

So in speaking specifically of the SEAL teams,

I mean, there's the biggest similarity, right?

They came from that community and they probably had some semblance of shared experiences, whether that be deployments, time away from family, the psychological and physiological stresses of the job.

but it doesn't seem to impact everybody equally either.

Everybody's experiences differ.

You can be in a room, I was gonna say with six people, but it's unlikely you'll be in a room with six people just because we don't generally have that many people and we try to solve issues with as few as possible, but let's say four.

I have no understanding why the same shared experience, although maybe viewed from a slightly different angle,

in totality could break somebody, but not the other three, or why everybody has a different volume of, you know, somebody's got this much volume versus this much versus a thimble.

And I don't understand why those experiences seem to break some people, or in my opinion, I think they can, if you put the work in, make you an even better version of yourself.

And I also think that you can pour some of the stuff out or drill a hole in the bottom and work through these things.

Dave being the example, the things that stick out would be, and again, this is me speaking, I can't speak for Dave.

There was a huge delta, I think, between how he thought of himself and how other people thought of him.

And in most of the funerals that I've gone to that involve suicide, the number one question is,

Why?

Why didn't somebody reach out for help?