Angie "Pumps" Sullivan

I'm not outing this stuff.

She's written about this, so it's in our book, which you can buy.

Speaking of grifting, Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches, where she talks about Spanky broken crack with hookers.

Is the license plate, is that not in the book, Spanky?

I think it's in there.

It is.

Can I ask why Spanky?

Well, that is... What I think and what I was told is completely different.

And he just put it on his license plate.

Yes.

It was out.

He drove to the megachurch.

He drove to the megachurch with the family and the kids and the license plate said Spanky.

I think that's really common though, Pumps.

I think that instance where you have the white picket fence forward facing, we're not going to tell, we're not going to speak truths.

We're going to deny reality and we're going to project to the Joneses that we are this godly or this perfect or whatever family.

I think it's really common, especially in white families.

suburbia.

And then behind the scenes, you got a little spanker, you got a little crack.

A little spanker, a little crack.