Angie "Pumps" Sullivan

You got this shit because people are broken.

People are broken.

And we project that we have to, we have this stupid give a shit that we care what other people think of our families instead of really living and being with our families.

So some people I think buy into this, well, everybody thinks we're a nice family instead of really being and enjoying and not giving a fuck what anybody else thinks, but literally enjoying and being a nice family.

And what other families think of your family is none of your fucking business.

That's their business.

But I think so many Americans, white, suburban, upper middle class get caught up into this if we have the appearance

of being a good family, then therefore we are a good family.

And it's bullshit.

It's just superficial bullshit.

Yeah, totally, totally.

Because when that veneer is broken, that, oh my God, it's not perfect.

Because what you're doing with that veneer is you're living in judgment.

That means you're judging everybody else by the veneer of their family.

And once that veneer is broken, then you need to go to somebody that's judgment free.

That's like, look, man, we're all fucking broken behind every... I always think when I drive through like nice neighborhoods, I always think behind every single one of these doors, right?

are just secrets and and listen i think generally people can be happy i think that mega church culture white upper middle class mega church culture is a really specific broken culture these are the people that turn out in droves to vote for to triple trump

And I think they have, there's a combination of a culty religion, evangelical Christianity, combined with like this capitalism, combined with appearance culture.

You know, like if we look good and if we do matching Christmas pajama pictures, then we're going to be fine.

all family you know and it's just it's the real moments are the moments that aren't on instagram the real moments are the moments that you have like i can tell that our family's been through so much you guys are talking about pumps but josh and i've been through so much and just this past spring break the whole the kids everybody was here and