Angus Fletcher

That should give you some indication.

And, you know, Gary is legitimately a story genius.

Why is Zootopia so good?

Well, because what you're really trying to do with a story is not just create a plot.

You're trying to create a world.

Yeah.

That's why Star Wars is so brilliant.

Because...

The movie, great.

But really what you want is you want to wander around with lightsabers and Darth Vader and the Force and the Jedi and Leia and all that kind of stuff.

And Zootopia is exactly the same thing.

Zootopia is a mythic universe.

When Gary first told me this, he sent me basically a Bible, which went on for hundreds and hundreds of slides, explaining to me all the sort of complex mythiography behind Zootopia.

So I'm not going to pretend to be able to kind of expound that to you here.

It was like,

having a conversation with like joseph campbell or something but basically the point is is that you have an entire universe in which these animals are there to expose the lie that you can be whatever it is that you want to be i mean that's basically the twist is that we are all told these fables in america growing up which is you can be whatever you want to be yeah yeah

That's right.

Yes, they call it independent courage.

Just like I independently created Mickey Mouse the other day.

Yeah.