Anita Anand

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Empire: World History · 382. Empire of AI: Karen Hao On Today’s Hidden Colonialism (Ep 2) · 29 Jul 2026 podcast

It exists in a digital form, just to make that clear. voice-verified

Well, so, I mean, again, this is something that is truly an echo of what we've seen go before in the nascent empire. voice-verified

So with the East India Company, you had people who went and made a lot of money through the company overseas and came back and bought themselves, you know, positions, political positions, you know, rotten boroughs, you know, they could become MPs. voice-verified

And then you have a full chorus of people who are lording rather than questioning the behavior of a corporate entity. voice-verified

And that feels like what you're saying is happening with OpenAI, although they're fighting each other, they're also fighting for territory, political territory, as well as technological and financial territory. voice-verified

Can we talk about, if we're going to carry on this empire analogy, I want to know about the people at the other end, because you, very interestingly, just haven't looked at the top of the pyramid. voice-verified

But you've looked at the workers in places like Kenya who make these systems usable. voice-verified

Now, first of all, that's going to surprise people that these are organizations that have workers in the developing world or the global south who are, I mean, are they benefiting? voice-verified

What kind of work are they doing? voice-verified

Tell us a little bit about that, Karen. voice-verified

How are they associated? voice-verified

So, I mean, what does that actually look like? voice-verified

Is that sort of like, you know, you'll have a big warehouse full of people on terminals saying, you said this, but actually this is more human. voice-verified

If you're going to do this, do it this way. voice-verified

Is that the kind? voice-verified

I mean, I'm just trying to picture it in my head and I'm sure people want to picture it. voice-verified

And may even have sounded ludicrous, like have an argument with your girlfriend, tell me how that would sound, you know, that kind of thing. voice-verified

But I suppose somebody listening to this might say, okay, that's fine, but that's employing people, you know, that's making people wealthy. voice-verified

There's so many people, if there are so many people that are involved in this, particularly from, and I think the places that you've talked about in the book, Chile and Kenya, for example, they're making loads of money. voice-verified

This is great. voice-verified

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