Anita Arnand

And her burial is also sad because she had diphtheria.

There are all these fears of contagion.

So she's just thrown into a common grave and her possessions are burned and she drifts into obscurity.

Well, she is.

And it is the Venezuelan government of Hugo Chavez that does this because they exhume what they believe Manuela's remains from Paeta.

And they take them to Caracas and then rebury them, inter her next to Bolivar's grand tomb in the National Pantheon with great pomp and ceremony.

And also Chavez claiming to be the new Bolivar, if you like.

Chavez's new Bolivarian project is very much identified with him.

So of course, all honours to both Bolivar and everybody associated with him.

By the way, feminists across Latin America come and respect her remains.

They regard her as a founding mother, a freedom fighter in her own right.

Yeah, I know she was pretty damn cool.

Let's take a break now.

And after the break, let's talk about Bolivar's legacy.

No.

Realistic, realistic assessment.

No, it isn't that.

He's a paradox.

I mean, all the way along, this man is a complete paradox.

So, you know, I'll state my case before you romanticize it beyond any recognition.