Anita Arnand

You know, you have sort of, you know, the indigenous people fighting for the British because they think they'll be better off rather than having Washington and others shrinking their lands and taking their lands and giving them fewer rights.

Yeah.

But I've not and have never argued anything other than that.

Your contention was that from the start, he was rapacious and only for his kind.

Well, I don't know.

I don't know.

I still think that there is something extraordinary.

And we have to remember that all major events, whether they are horrific events,

or are started by people who think, who certainly in their heads think that they can do something better for their people.

What?

You're changing?

Are you coming here now?

I've got just one thing.

Okay.

Well, I think we're sort of meeting in the fudgy middle.

In the fudgy middle.

And also, I think you can get a real look into what a man can do as well.

Because a man is not a miracle worker.

He has to work with what he's got.

And what he's got is a patchwork of countries that have done things a certain way in South America and are