Anita Arnand

You've got this huge money flow that's coming in.

But it also coincides, and I want to understand more about why it also coincides with the spread of Wahhabi Islam as well.

Because we talked about this before, it's the 1970s, where you see a much more hardline, much more conservative Islam spreading, even as the petrodollars are flooding in.

It feels so current.

In 2026, right where we are now, the supply of oil is being used as a military instrument by Iran.

We need to replace that question of how often do you think about the Roman Empire?

How often do you think about the Empire Podcast?

Because if people did a bit more, they might learn a thing or two.

Yeah.

What an academic turn of phrase you have, my friend.

I mean, it's almost professorial in your gravitas.

I hope you're enjoying this series.

I hope you're learning something from it.

And next week, Abby Clam is going to be with us for this special bonus episode.

And then we've got episode six, Eugene Rogan taking us through Sadat's flight to Jerusalem and 13 extraordinary days at Camp David.

So please don't miss it.

And thank you very much for listening to us.

We have now over 90 million downloads and we don't take any of them for granted.

Anyway, until the next time we meet, it's goodbye from me, Anita Arnon.