Anita Arnon

You're going skeptic about Rida Badu directly.

I mean, I think I quite like him because he is a moaner, but he's consistent and he's saying he's watching his city being eaten away.

And he writes quite poetically about how awful things are.

And I put it to you, expert friend, Aidan, that if you have a man in charge, like Akhenaten, who doesn't care about his workers, who doesn't care about the people who are right around him, it isn't such a stretch.

to think he doesn't care about people who are further away.

I mean, he's not the most caring.

We've seen pharaohs, for example, in the past who have responded to famine in that area, who have said, okay, you're having a hard time.

I will send grain.

Egypt is the center for all of this.

But here you've got a man who's in charge who doesn't really seem to give much of a damn.

I have made no secret of the fact I don't like this pharaoh.

He's my least favourite pharaoh.

Yes, I know.

But, you know, I don't know whether it's such a stretch, Aidan, to think that a man who didn't care about his workers.

But loved his wife.

God, but he didn't care about anyone other than his immediate family.

I mean, you know, it's Trumpian in many ways.

But, you know, people are starving in his kingdom.

There's plague.

He's not really doing very much.