Anita Arnon

So he goes there, Bolivar, and supposedly seeking British support for Ferdinand VII.

But they're doing something else.

They're having another conversation all together.

And it's good to introduce another character in this.

He absolutely is.

I mean, first of all, you know, our producer has described him as looking like Lucius Malfoy in Harry Potter.

He does.

And he's got this sort of shock of slick back, white hair.

He could be a Targaryen.

It's very white hair.

Draco's dad is definitely... So let's tell you a little bit about de Miranda because he's important.

So he's born in Caracas in 1750 in what was then New Granada, just to remind you of these vice regalties.

Venezuela in new money.

He had very wealthy parents like Bolivar, but...

Unlike Bolivar, and this is why this whole Creole thing is quite a muddy mix, Miranda's father's ethnic purity was often questioned by the other elites.

And that's not because he was mixed race black, and we've just described him as a Malfoy and a Targaryen, but it's because his father was an immigrant from the Canary Islands.

Was that considered dodgier than the kind of mainland or why would the Canary Island be a…

So, that is really, I think, interesting.

And, you know, we will carry on talking about this sort of Creole status and whether he was mixed race or not.

And largely, I don't think he could have been.