Anita Arnon

They can hang from the side of their horses like the armies of Genghis Khan or Cossacks.

They are deadly accurate.

They are very frightening and they ride with bovis.

They don't fight for political ideology, but they want vengeance against this ruling class that has kept them down for such a long time.

The Spanish, they come forward again.

As they do to the enslaved people, they say to these indigenous people riding behind Boves and the cowboys, if you like, they say, you will have freedom and we will give you land.

if you fight and if you kill them.

Bovis and his forces are absolutely brutal and they really do show no mercy at no quarter and you have cities that are sacked and atrocities become routine.

And you have, by 1816, Bolivar who keeps sort of dipping in and out, trying to fight from wherever he can with whatever he's got, is defeated multiple times.

And then he ends up on the run in 1816 from the legions of hell and he ends up in Jamaica.

Delicious.

I'm glad you do.

He didn't so much.

But he ends up first in Jamaica and then he goes to Haiti, which you've just been talking about.

It's not uninteresting, is it?

Not uninteresting at all that he does that.

I told you, it's complicated.

But both things can be true.

You can feel sorry for the young kid who's kind of all at a loss and sort of floating around and losing everybody he's ever cared about to this slightly brutal character

Very dodgy thoughts about warfare.