Anna Carey

Yeah, exactly.

And the ads are what?

keep publications going you know it's the same for all media but yeah that's totally changed now you know the the shows are being like they're being live streamed you know the the runway shows um their influencers are in the front row there's a less pretense of a difference between advertising and you know editorial than there used to be yeah um

And there's just less money.

You know, there's less money, there's smaller staff.

So that's why I'm, you know, as somebody working in the media, I'm interested to see how they deal with that because it's really a time capsule, the original film, of like the last hurrah of a golden age of magazines.