Annaka Harris

When you get into the weeds in these conversations, it's almost like we need some new terminology because it's hard to know sometimes whether we're talking about the same thing.

I have issues with his terminology that when we talk about what his terminology represents, it seems like we completely agree.

It's possible we have a very similar view of the universe if consciousness is fundamental.

It may be an identical view.

It's hard for me to know because I disagree with a lot of his terminology.

Well, I mean, the truth is that, I mean, if you talk to a neuroscientist like Anil Seth, and I would say most neuroscientists, but he's really good on this subject, and his...

expertise in his area of focus is in perception.

So he talks a lot about how our perceptions give us an experience of the world, and he calls it a controlled hallucination.

I'm sorry, he probably got, I think he says that he got that term from someone else, but that's the term he uses.

Right.

There's a sense in which what Hoffman is saying is already, we already know to be the case.

So our brains are creating this conscious experience based on these interactions with the outside world.

It is in some sense all a controlled hallucination.

And someone like Anil Seth, from the neuroscientific point of view, I actually have a quote here somewhere if you have any interest in hearing the quote.

But he's essentially saying, everything we experience as a perception...

including our experience of time and space.

So we still don't really know what our experience of space represents out there in the world.

And then, of course, when you talk to physicists about the different interpretations of quantum mechanics, I mean, where physics seems to

beheaded across the board at this point is that space and time are emergent, that they're not part of the fundamental fabric of reality.

And so there's some ways in which Don is saying things that- Is he being too poetic about it?