Anne Applebaum

Not everybody feels it, but it's very possible that everybody will.

And actually, my podcast episode starts with the story of a guy called George Redis, whose U.S.

citizen was a veteran and who was arrested by ICE and put in prison for a few days, missed his daughter's birthday and was never given a reason or an explanation.

Well, there are a lot of people fighting back.

I mean, there were people protesting in Minneapolis and there are people who are documenting ICE and there are, you know, I'm really impressed with the Catholic Church in lots of places.

I mean, you can feel these communities moving and doing things.

And, you know, I'm impressed with Americans who do all that.

And they're exactly, they're the source of, you know, they're the future of the country.

I am in touch with people.

I'm in touch with somebody, a couple of people in Caracas and others.

To be clear, the Venezuelans I know who were delighted that Maduro was gone and were really happy.

And the Trump press conference on that same day in which he kind of dissed Machado and he said she's a very nice lady, but nobody respects her, was truly horrifying to them.

We were just talking about people who inspire you.

The Venezuelan opposition, particularly over the last two or three years, fighting against enormous odds, carried out this incredible election campaign.

Machado herself wasn't running because she was forbidden from running, but Edmundo Gonzalez, who was a former Venezuelan diplomat, did run.

They got people all over the country involved.

And not only that, they got people involved in monitoring and counting the votes.

So they were able to prove that they'd won.

They won something like they got two thirds of the vote.

So this is a very deep, very big, very grassroots opposition.