Anne Applebaum

that could be used in political ways.

We don't know all of the political ways that it will be used.

Towards the end of the series, some people are speculating, and actually some of the governor of Illinois said this, so it's not just some people.

There's a fear that troops on the street or armed men on the street during the midterms could frighten people away from voting.

So there are lots of ways in which this kind of force can be used.

But what we just saw was...

It was more than just a power play.

I mean, it was a shocking use of violence and then lies about the use of violence and then the immediate extension of impunity to the person who'd used violence.

So already you can see the administration creating a force for violence that's above somehow above the law and somehow protected by Donald Trump.

No, no.

I also heard a terrible story.

I won't say who it was, but it was somebody who had moved to Washington and whose had come from a city in California where you have to drive everywhere and whose kids were very excited to be able to walk to school.

And this is a Hispanic family, completely American, U.S.

citizen family.

And as soon as they got to water, the kids were excited for the first time they can walk to school, they can ride their bikes.

And their parents, because these are teenagers, became worried that they shouldn't walk to school by themselves because ice might pick them up.

And that, to me, was a horrific story.

I mean, if you're afraid that your U.S.

citizen children can't walk down the streets and can't go to school, then we're already living in a different reality.

So you're right that this has already begun to happen in some communities.