Anne Applebaum

And you have this very, very high Russian casualty rates now, sometimes as many as a thousand people a day that's killed and wounded.

It can be 1,000 a day.

Much lower on the Ukrainian side because their war is increasingly automated.

It's increasingly run by drones, often by people directing them pretty far from the front line.

When I was there, I was shown some of the robots they now use.

They use robots both to rescue people who are in the zone and are wounded and need to be taken out.

And they also use them – they've actually, I think, for the first time used them to take a position.

They're beginning to experiment with robot guns.

And it's very –

It's not really 21st century, it's kind of 22nd century stuff.

It's stuff you didn't imagine, or it looks like it comes from science fiction or comic books, but it's becoming real.

You know, the front line is not moving.

At the same time, the Ukrainians have got also much better at hitting longer range targets.

So they're hitting oil refineries, oil and gas infrastructure inside Russia, creating these spectacular fires and explosions, including one a few days ago, the morning of an economic conference in St.

Petersburg.

famous one that Putin holds every year is pretty pathetic.

This year, Candace Owens was in attendance.

So you can see what kind of caliber of economist is now going there.

That's right.

On the morning, they hit the refinery in St.