Anne Applebaum

you know, as an anonymous shell company.

And so, actually, nobody would have to know except the people who run that fund, which, by the way, includes Zach Witkoff, who is Steve Witkoff's son.

I'm not even sure you have to be an insider.

I don't know if you have to be a MAGA Republican.

I don't think anything ideological is required.

I think it's really just money.

I am not sure because I don't know of an exact historical parallel to what we are living through.

Very often when you have this kind of corruption takeover system, it results in some kind of collapse or disaster or war.

And it's usually after the collapse or disaster or war that you have the moment of reckoning when people say, that was too much.

We need to change our system.

We need to change our constitution.

You know, we need bigger, deeper changes to prevent this from happening again.

And of course, I don't wish something like that to happen.

And so I'm not, you know, but in the absence of it happening, I don't know how you reach enough people, how you shake the foundation of politics.

I've just been, I've just started to read Jill Lepore's new book, which is, it's about the American Constitution.

And one of the points she makes is that often our Constitution has been amended, at least in the most serious ways, after a war.

So firstly...

After the Revolution and then after the Civil War, that's when we got the amendments that allowed Black people to vote and change the nature of American citizenship.

Then after World War I, there were a number of important amendments, women's suffrage being one of them.

And it's almost as if you need some big moment of change to convince people that the foundations of the system are rotten.