Anne Helen Petersen

But there was a small handful of things this year that felt new.

The album that I loved this year, and I was so surprised by it, is Noah Cyrus' album.

Have you heard this?

What'd you like about it, Anne?

So it's called I Want My Loved Ones to Go With Me.

And it really evokes, like, this kind of mix of a sound that I really love, which is, like, Nico Case, Gillian Welsh.

The second song on the album...

is a duet with Fleet Foxes, which is exquisite.

And she just, she has that Cyrus talent.

Like, she has a gorgeous voice.

Yeah.

And you can hear Miley in it, but also it's different.

I just, I adore it, and I could listen to it on repeat.

Totally.

Well, I think there was a really interesting conversation, I think, about like her own personal choices and how they align with this regression to norms.

And I do not think that Taylor Swift is becoming a trad wife.

But also something that I've always found really interesting about Taylor Swift is how she has negotiated the space of celebrity as arguably one of the most famous people in the world.

As someone who is not married and who doesn't have kids.

And so for me, in some ways, it makes her less interesting to follow this path.

I also think she likes to work.