Anne Helen Petersen

And I think that's why Sinners sticks out to me.

As like the highlight of my pop culture year is because it took a risk.

And even if it like doesn't succeed 100 percent on all fronts, to me, it is an enormously successful piece of art because it did something that so few artists are able to do, at least in like the mainstream right now.

Sam, what about for you?

Exactly.

It's just the togetherness of it.

Yes.

I so agree with Sam.

Like the week around the release of Taylor Swift's album was actually really fun.

Because we were talking about it.

We were having conversations about it that were legible to a lot of people.

And I wish for more of that.

We're like, we hated these things that were directed at the monoculture.

But also.