Annie Jacobsen

But what's – I agree with you.

The first part of Eisenhower's speech is spot on and that is absolutely true.

And yet at the same time – this is why I think people stop talking about things like nuclear war or they move on to another more interesting subject that might be more entertaining.

Because who really wants to hear about this problem that seems to be cyclical and there is – because you have to have a strong defense.

You have to have a national security, otherwise you get walked all over.

I think people kind of agree that.

Yes.

You can't really have a peace force.

Right.

But the second part of Eisenhower's speech is important to me and it's why I get people to talk to me in my books because he says there's an antidote to the military-industrial complex and that is an alert and knowledgeable citizenry.

Which is in essence what we're doing now by talking about this.

It's what you do on your podcast.

By having an alert and knowledgeable citizenry.

And the word alert I think means engaged.

You have to be able to talk to people.

in a way that they can, oh, wow, that's interesting.

Well, I don't understand how that works.

How does that work?

And have these conversations.

So in that regard, I would say that's a positive sign in the right direction.