Annie Jacobsen

It is.

Dangerous time with weaponry accelerating to a degree that none of us have any idea about.

That is how the Defense Department is structured.

They are working on weapon systems we are not meant to know about.

You brought up an interesting point there that maybe I'll tell an anecdotal story about that has to do with acceleration of weaponry.

When you spoke of the Ukrainian drones,

I think it's really interesting to consider that drones didn't exist until they did exist in the summer of 2000.

I mean, they existed.

There were tiny plantations on the battlefield in Vietnam, but it was the CIA who really brought the drone to the battlefield in a mission that is kind of analogous or at least important to what happened with Maduro.

So, yeah.

It was the summer of 2000.

Clinton was president and the CIA wanted to kill bin Laden.

This was a year before 9-11.

This is because of his attacks against embassies in Africa.

Right.

And the CIA specifically went to Clinton and asked for permission.

They had been developing these drones.

I interviewed all the original players in It's In Surprise, Gilvanish.

They went to the president and the president said, no, we will not do that.

You need to have an FBI agent with you when you you have to give bin Laden the opportunity to be arrested.