Annie Jacobsen

and then can't make it work, can't make it work, is sitting on a park bench, and he gets the message from above.

He made it sound very much like it was a religious experience for him, but he never wrote about it for a long time because particularly in the 60s and 70s, you couldn't be a scientist and have faith at the same time, or at least you would be belittled or you'd be looked down upon is what he said.

That's interesting.

Bingo.

And it's not just me he told this.

You can read about this in that Harvard article.

And I think he wrote that when he was in his late 80s.

But absolutely.

So he was really making a plug for listening to whatever it is that guides you, which is a very powerful statement.

Mm-hmm.

That, when he told me that, it was so fascinating to me.

I began to explore if there were other Nobel laureates in particular that shared that belief, and there are.

There are a couple of Nobel laureates who, someone in chemistry and

That believed that their knowledge came from a divine inspiration.

Like they had a dream type situation.

I write about all this in my book Phenomena.

These specific examples because it's so interesting when that kind of non-mainstream –

Measurement.

Absolutely.

I mean, who isn't amazed by their own dreams when they have a really intense dream?