Annie Jacobsen

Wow.

And she's now 92 or 93.

She's alive and she's still doing interviews.

She spoke to me with a ferocity and an intensity.

She wants the world to be free of nuclear weapons.

And she's been working on this issue her whole life.

Wow.

It was so remarkable.

can be how young and spirited she was.

Like she did a Zoom with me from her apartment in Vancouver in Canada.

Like 92, 93, just as vibrant as a person could possibly be, outliving all these other people because she survived Hiroshima, because she has a clear message.

Where was she when the bomb dropped?

She was 1.1 miles from ground zero.

She was buried in rubble.

And she tells this remarkable story of like, you know, thinking she died and then having someone realizing there was a hand on her shoulder.

And it was someone else telling her to leave the building because it was about, you know, she would have died.

Fires were beginning.

And her whole statement about her whole life is, you know, climb out of the dark and into the light.

And it's so powerful.

And sometimes I think about her life experience as a human to have survived something like that and to have, you know, she won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2017.