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Annie Karni

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1008: Michael Weiss, Ben Smith, and Annie Karni: Radioactively Stupid

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Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Well, first of all, let's remember, this is a hearing that's happening at night to start with. And why is it happening at night? Because some of the members who are on this committee had spent their workday that day in Manhattan, outside of the federal courthouse where Trump was on trial, defending him because a gag order prevented him from speaking for himself.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Well, first of all, let's remember, this is a hearing that's happening at night to start with. And why is it happening at night? Because some of the members who are on this committee had spent their workday that day in Manhattan, outside of the federal courthouse where Trump was on trial, defending him because a gag order prevented him from speaking for himself.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Well, first of all, let's remember, this is a hearing that's happening at night to start with. And why is it happening at night? Because some of the members who are on this committee had spent their workday that day in Manhattan, outside of the federal courthouse where Trump was on trial, defending him because a gag order prevented him from speaking for himself.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

So it's already a little emotional, like different vibe when you start a hearing at 8 p.m. Famously, like anything that starts in the evening in Congress, many people are drunk. There is like something called the drunk caucus that other members refer to. Leadership is always wary of scheduling votes at night because drinking is a problem.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

So it's already a little emotional, like different vibe when you start a hearing at 8 p.m. Famously, like anything that starts in the evening in Congress, many people are drunk. There is like something called the drunk caucus that other members refer to. Leadership is always wary of scheduling votes at night because drinking is a problem.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

So it's already a little emotional, like different vibe when you start a hearing at 8 p.m. Famously, like anything that starts in the evening in Congress, many people are drunk. There is like something called the drunk caucus that other members refer to. Leadership is always wary of scheduling votes at night because drinking is a problem.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Yes. Among people who work in the Capitol and reporters, it's like not a revelation. Everyone just knows this, but it is a revelation to most people who don't. So anyway, this is starting at night. When you were playing that clip, I just couldn't help but thinking that everyone is being peak themselves. In that moment, ostensibly, like who even remembers what this hearing was about?

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Yes. Among people who work in the Capitol and reporters, it's like not a revelation. Everyone just knows this, but it is a revelation to most people who don't. So anyway, this is starting at night. When you were playing that clip, I just couldn't help but thinking that everyone is being peak themselves. In that moment, ostensibly, like who even remembers what this hearing was about?

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Yes. Among people who work in the Capitol and reporters, it's like not a revelation. Everyone just knows this, but it is a revelation to most people who don't. So anyway, this is starting at night. When you were playing that clip, I just couldn't help but thinking that everyone is being peak themselves. In that moment, ostensibly, like who even remembers what this hearing was about?

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

What happens here is that Greene makes what Crockett thinks is a racist attack, kind of making fun of her eyelashes, which Crockett in an interview later told us. She's seen those attacks online. It's like a ghetto girl thing. And Marjorie Taylor Greene was picking up a loaded comment to make a comment about her. And all the crazy things that Greene has said during her time in Congress โ€“

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

What happens here is that Greene makes what Crockett thinks is a racist attack, kind of making fun of her eyelashes, which Crockett in an interview later told us. She's seen those attacks online. It's like a ghetto girl thing. And Marjorie Taylor Greene was picking up a loaded comment to make a comment about her. And all the crazy things that Greene has said during her time in Congress โ€“

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

What happens here is that Greene makes what Crockett thinks is a racist attack, kind of making fun of her eyelashes, which Crockett in an interview later told us. She's seen those attacks online. It's like a ghetto girl thing. And Marjorie Taylor Greene was picking up a loaded comment to make a comment about her. And all the crazy things that Greene has said during her time in Congress โ€“

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Talking about eyelashes might really not rank up there, but there is one hard and fast rule that you can't do face-to-face ad hominem attacks. It's known as, quote unquote, engaging in personalities. So there's not a lot of rules in Congress, but you actually can't engage in personalities. And this was an ad hominem attack. So they go after Greene.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Talking about eyelashes might really not rank up there, but there is one hard and fast rule that you can't do face-to-face ad hominem attacks. It's known as, quote unquote, engaging in personalities. So there's not a lot of rules in Congress, but you actually can't engage in personalities. And this was an ad hominem attack. So they go after Greene.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

Talking about eyelashes might really not rank up there, but there is one hard and fast rule that you can't do face-to-face ad hominem attacks. It's known as, quote unquote, engaging in personalities. So there's not a lot of rules in Congress, but you actually can't engage in personalities. And this was an ad hominem attack. So they go after Greene.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

And when Jasmine Crockett comes up with her famous now line, she smartly phrases it as a question. So it's not actually a direct ad hominem attack at Greene. So they're all kind of playing a game here. And one interesting thing is you can hear AOC getting pretty heated here. And in some ways, this was a moment that Greene won. Greene is constantly wanting to engage with AOC.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

And when Jasmine Crockett comes up with her famous now line, she smartly phrases it as a question. So it's not actually a direct ad hominem attack at Greene. So they're all kind of playing a game here. And one interesting thing is you can hear AOC getting pretty heated here. And in some ways, this was a moment that Greene won. Greene is constantly wanting to engage with AOC.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

And when Jasmine Crockett comes up with her famous now line, she smartly phrases it as a question. So it's not actually a direct ad hominem attack at Greene. So they're all kind of playing a game here. And one interesting thing is you can hear AOC getting pretty heated here. And in some ways, this was a moment that Greene won. Greene is constantly wanting to engage with AOC.

Fresh Air
Inside The 'Mad House' Of Congressional Disfunction

She wants to get into it with the most famous House Democrat. And usually AOC does not take the bait. But in this clip, you can hear she gets to her. She takes the bait. She gets into a heated back and forth with Greene, which is kind of what Greene wants here.