S2 Ep1008: Michael Weiss, Ben Smith, and Annie Karni: Radioactively Stupid
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What are the leaked war plans and their implications?
But first up, it's our friend Michael Weiss, editor of the Insider, a Russia-focused media outlet, contributing editor to Newlines Magazine, formerly an investigative reporter for CNN, our unofficial... Crazy foreign policy correspondent. And we wanted to bring him in immediately because we've now officially seen the text. Michael Weiss, are these war plans? The White House is saying this is a hoax. These are not war plans. What do you make of it?
I mean, you've got the timings of the strikes. You've got the platforms being used. There's no way that this was unclassified data, right? I'm talking to former CIA officers, including a former CIA lawyer, who says... This is all top secret. I mean, even more critical than the attack plans themselves is the policy discussion, right? Like, if you're a foreign adversary, you absolutely want to know what the back and forth is amongst Trump's national security team. So the fact that J.D. Vance is a little squeamish about attacking the Houthis, because that gives a freebie to the Europeans, those freeloading welfare queen Europeans that he's always on about, that's useful information. Mark Palmaropoulos hat mir gesagt, wenn du ein CIA-Kommissar bist und diese Daten auf einen Feind der Vereinigten Staaten bekommst, bekommst du einen Medal. Das ist, wie wertvoll diese Dinge sind. Es sieht mir sicherlich so aus, und ich habe gerade ein paar kurze Beratungen darüber gemacht, dank der Atlantik-Erklärung.
Es sieht mir sicherlich so aus, als ob einige Leute sich gestern an den Kongress vorgeschlagen hätten, indem sie sagten, dass alles unbeklasset war. Nun, es kann sein, dass Donald Trump sich entschieden hat, es nach dem Faktum zu deklassifizieren. Aber die Chronologie dieses, weißt du, What did you know and when kind of thing is going to be key here. So I don't think the story is going away, Tim.
No, Donald Trump declassified it with his mind, apparently. And there's so much here to go over. But just because, you know, the White House is already out this morning saying, you know, these are not war plans. They're still dying on this spin hill. As you mentioned yesterday in Congress, both Ratcliffe, that of the CIA and Tulsi, Sie bestätigten, dass das nicht klassifiziert war.
How did Jeffrey Goldberg get access to the Signal chat?
Ratcliffe sagte, es ist ziemlich bemerkenswert, der schlechte Erinnerung an den Direktor der Zentralen Intelligenzagentur. Er sagte, ich kann mich nicht erinnern, als er mehrere Mal gefragt wurde. Es ist alles ziemlich preposterös. Und ich sage es nur in diesem Kontext. Imagine if somebody involved in the actual execution of the mission, an actual warfighter, to use Pete Hegs' term. Let's imagine this person is a DEI hire. Let's imagine this is a black woman. And she decides to text the Atlantic. Two hours ahead, the exact timing of when we're going to bomb Yemen. All caps. This is when the first bombs will definitely drop. I love that. And then it leaks.
What is Pete Higgs saying about this person? This person is getting court-martialed. They're getting fired and they're getting prosecuted, no question.
By the way, I love the... Waltz setzt den Timer für die Zerlegerung auf vier Wochen. Ich verabschiede mich mit meinem Hund, der auf Signal ist, und wir haben eine Drehzeit für die Zerlegerung von drei Tagen. Humphrey bekommt seine Haare geschnitten, das ist, glaube ich, weniger sensibel oder mehr sensibel als, wann und wo wir die Houthis aufbauen.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What are the leaked war plans and their implications?
0:57–3:10
2
How did Jeffrey Goldberg get access to the Signal chat?
3:10–6:22
3
What are the risks of using Signal for sensitive communication?
6:22–10:18
4
How is Tulsi Gabbard's Vatican trip linked to Russian interests?
10:18–13:14
5
Why is Trump's administration accused of incompetence?
13:14–17:41
6
What are the details of the Black Sea ceasefire deal?
17:41–23:36
7
How does Trump's negotiation style affect US-Russia relations?
23:36–1:01:23
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