Anthony Romero
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127 appearances
9 recordings
2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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I mean, we've been here before. Like, for instance, we've had two lawsuits. I dug them up yesterday. We've had two different lawsuits years ago against Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Chris Kobach. Back up and explain those cases. Sheriff Joe Arpaio was someone who was trying to round up immigrants. He was tough on immigrants in Arizona. SB 1070, show me your papers guy, right?
He was corralling people up and kind of having Gestapo-like law enforcement efforts focused on immigrants. And Chris Kobach was the one who was trying to purge people from the polls who he thought— Which was where? In Kansas. And both of these individuals we sued, and we won. And they didn't like the fact that we won. And so they tried to defy these court orders in both of those instances.
We would have to litigate the implementation of their contempt. And so you would threaten them with fines and threaten them with incarceration. Ultimately— You're going to do that with the president of the United States? You bet. You bet.
And part of it is to figure out how you can bring in people into the debate who are otherwise on the side of Donald Trump and Elon Musk and to say, wait a minute, this is a step too far.
There are many conservatives. Some of them I've just begun to talk to yesterday, to kind of run by them. If he openly defines a court order, what can we do together? Now, if we do not succeed, let's say no one comes, the cavalry doesn't ride and the Alamo is by itself. Then what? Then we've got to take to the streets in a different way.
We've got to shut down this country and people of right and left.
You know, we're just beginning to think it through. We're talking with colleagues and other organizations. There's got to be a moment when people of goodwill will just say, this is way too far.
Well, there have been efforts. You know, Marbury v. Madison was a case when the original, the crucial case when the government tried to snub his nose at the role of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court was not what it was. It's not as powerful or established an institution as it is today. You had FDR who tried to pack the court. It's not new that presidents bristle at judicial oversight.
I mean, Clinton passed some of the most egregious court-stripping measures. For example? Where he basically tried to get the courts out of the business of looking at prisons' rights cases or immigrants' rights cases. And that had to be litigated.
Totally agree. Totally agree. And we've got to take it one step at a time.
I think you have to call on, for instance, corporate leaders. We'll have to yank them into the pool with us. If they believe that part of what is going to protect good corporate interests or the workings of the economy is rule of law, there's got to be a moment when people are saying, can you countenance this?
I mean, President Biden had a number of instances where he also bristled at judicial oversight and judicial review. I mean, he hated the effort to shut down the student loan program. It's one of his signature programs. Never got it through because the courts got in his way.
But it's really quite another matter when there's a final order of the highest court of the land and the president just says, doesn't bother me. Don't have to heed you or hear you. That is a moment when I think we'll be able to harvest the opinions of people and get people engaged in a very different way. It won't matter the content. It will matter whether or not.
We will allow an executive branch to assume such extreme power.
And they're on the bench, and sometimes they watch his back, and sometimes they rule in ways that are kind of— head-scratching in terms of how far they will go to protect the person who put them on the bench. Also true, 65% of the judges have been appointed by Obama and Biden. So there's a larger number of them. That will change as they start to move judicial appointments.
I mean, what's in front of us, I mean, let's talk a little bit what else might be in front of us, right? Yep. That's not just the onslaught of the executive orders. Now, this is where I'm going to curl or uncurl your listener's hair. I have no hair. But for instance, we have yet not seen the mass deportations that I think are on the horizon. When they start revving up that machinery,
that's going to be massive, right? So that's number one. I think the deportations is something to watch out for.
Yeah, but when they start seeing that their nannies or their gardeners or their fellow workers or the local shoeshine guy or their neighbors are getting ripped up and that U.S. citizen kids are put in then kind of family protective services as a result of it, when they start seeing, because what they ran on was saying we're going to get rid of the criminals.
Well, that's clearly not what they're doing already. But when they really ramp up and they start grabbing all these individuals who are part of the social fabric, I think we'll harvest that.
Well, there are sanctuary city laws and sanctuary jurisdiction laws that are in fact – Which are the source of contempt for the Republican Party. Yeah. And they can be defended. And it's important that like for instance the litigation they're bringing against the city of Chicago we think is really far afield. They cannot use –
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