Anthony Rubin

Sure.

I guess I'm giving the Europeans a break because if there was a European that tried doing this that was living in Spain or Germany, they'd have... Well, they live behind the Iron Curtain.

100%.

Well, it's institutional capture.

You know, these...

they're supposed to be purveyors of truth, which some are to some extent, but, you know, real journalism and, you know, I'm friends with James O'Keefe and James O'Keefe talks about this a lot, which is that it's just so costly to do real journalism.

That's why, you know, organizations like Fox, they just have the independent people come on now.

because they have the independent people break the story, take all the risk, and then Fox could just report on it.

And I don't, I mean, you were with Fox, maybe you know better than I, but I feel like that wasn't the case 20 years ago.

Maybe they would do their own stories, but now it's just mostly independent people because it's just so costly to do these things and so dangerous for the big organizations.

To get to the heart of a global crisis?

Right.

Well, where there's a will, there's a way.

And when there's not, nothing's going to get done.

Just a few miles from where we were jumped, men like the ones who attacked us turn up at ARDIS, an NGO that helps illegal immigrants apply for asylum.

To help migrants with asylum?

Queer migrants only?

So if they're not queer... No, not here.

Not here.

Well, you know, it speaks for itself.