Antonio Pascual-Leone

The superficial story is this, you know, might be big on plot and characters, but never really getting into the deeper experience.

And the same old story would be, yes, they get into the emotional experience, but they're stuck in some sort of maladaptive state.

Right.

This is it's always like this for me.

It might be the poor me story or it might be feeling like a victim or it might be I'm just giving some examples.

Right.

When people told stories like that, irrespective of the content, right?

It's the manner in which they told their stories, right?

So this is the phrasing, this is highlighting certain things, irrespective of the content.

We could actually predict symptoms, their symptom level.

So depressive symptoms, anxious symptoms, even trauma symptoms.

So I can't stress enough.

It isn't that they're telling stories about trauma and therefore they've suffered trauma.

It's rather the way they tell this story.

And so it's like I can tell I know what you're feeling, meaning I know what your symptoms are to some degree and the symptom severity based on how people are telling their stories.

Yeah, because you can think of emotion in terms of immediate experience, but it also gets embellished and elaborated as a narrative, right?

And sometimes people cling to a certain emotional loop or an emotional state becomes the centerpiece of the story they tell about who I am.

Well, yeah, I mean, I remember being in a relationship and leaning into it and

Yeah, I guess now that I'm thinking about it, there's sort of a theme here, right?

I mean, not wanting to be the reason why the relationship ends, right?