Arash Azizi

Now, there is a long issue of how they did.

Obviously, they faced a lot of resistance of the Palestinian Arab majority.

But at the end of the day, they reached a sort of numerical number, like they reached a numerical strength that was enough to form a state.

And the United Nations gave them mandate to form a state, and they formed a state.

So I guess what I think about Zionism is, first of all, a couple of things.

Historically, it's interesting to see how pragmatic it had been as a movement that was able to adopt very different circumstances, working within the international law, right, at different periods.

That's why it was so important for it to get a mandate from the UN, right?

And to bring that mandate didn't come magically, right?

It worked very hard at it.

The same was not true of the other side, for example.

You know, the Arab Palestinians basically said, F the UN.

You know, we don't care what the UN is, right?

Which is fine enough.

You can say, you know, you don't believe in it, but it's going to have material consequences for you.

So I think this pragmatism is lost.

And also, as I said, the unexceptionalist in a way.

So yes, it is exceptional in a way that

you know, there was large settlement and migration, which is not exactly unique.

It has existed in other cases.

But the point is that it's a national movement for Jewish people, given a very unique history that they've had.