Arash Azizi

And that means they'll continue to have this claim and stake for having a Jewish estate in Palestine.

To want to have a Jewish estate,

A, it does not mean a state that is Jewish supremacist and that non-Jews should have no rights.

In theory, this doesn't mean that.

Now, sometimes in practice, it has meant that, and I think critics are right to point that out.

This does not make it, as I said, outside the bounds of

Modern history makes it very much a big part of it.

And if you want to understand that, you know, you should view this history and then you'll see that Zionism.

Basically, my one line is every nationalism, right, has different versions.

If you regard every form of nationalism or ethno-nationalism as self-incarnate, I think it's kind of a superfluous world in a way because nationalism has ethnic in it.

If you consider every form of it as fascism and exclusion and supremacy, you miss out this diversity that has been the real life experience of nationalism.

Israel is pretty isolated regionally.

So UAE is an exception in a way that works with it.

And UAE itself is kind of isolated from other countries in some way.

And also...

on the sort of a street level, not just in the Middle East, but around the world, Israel has lost a lot of credibility and sympathy because of the way it has conducted itself in Gaza.

And then look, the reality of the matter is this, that Israel also continues to occupy these Palestinian territories.

It continues to have no plan to give any sort of rights or sovereignty or citizenship to the people living there.

and continues to have this really hubristic attitude toward most countries in the region.

So Saudi Arabia says, look, yes, historically Arab countries wanted Israel to get destroyed and not be there and all that.