Ari Berman

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Fresh Air · A look at new barriers at the ballot box · 8 Jul 2026 podcast

So there are burdens that are associated with proof of citizenship that aren't necessarily obvious.

And of course, this whole idea is predicated on the idea that non-citizens are systematically voting in U.S.

elections, which is just demonstrably untrue.

The numbers show that that kind of fraud is extremely rare.

I would say that the numbers show that all types of voter fraud are extremely rare, but non-citizens voting is particularly rare because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense why someone's going, whether they're documented or undocumented, is going to risk deportation simply to be able to cast a ballot.

And there's lots of data on this because states audit their voting rolls all the time.

Utah just did an audit, for example, of its voter rolls, and they looked at 2 million people on their voter rolls, and they found only 27 cases of noncitizens who were registered to vote and only 13 cases of a noncitizen voting since 2010.

2018, which is something like 0.0025% of people who have voted illegally.

And most of the time, these are people that are documented that don't understand that they're not able to vote.

So the idea that there's 3 million people voting illegally, for example, in California, which is what Donald Trump claimed in 2016 when he lost the popular vote, or the idea that there's

millions of people who are illegally registered or illegally casting ballots.

I mean, we're talking about at most, you know, a few handfuls of cases here.

And so the problem has been dramatically, dramatically overstated.

Well, there was another great quote by Thomas Massey, the Republican from Kentucky, who Trump effectively ousted in his House primary.

And Massey basically said, we won everything in 2024.

We won the presidency.

We won the House.

We won the Senate.

Where was all the election fraud then?

Why didn't that stop us from winning if it was so rampant and

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