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Armand Thiberge

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
96 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

It's a marginal CAC.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

So the average CAC is much, much more.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

When I say marginal CAC, it's a calculation you can do only if you have a business with a lot of clients.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

And we are trying to see how much it costs you to bring one additional customer in your database and how much the maximum you want to pay for one customer.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

It's not an average.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

It's maximum.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

If someone tomorrow proposes me a new customer for like $800, I will say no.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

Because look at two companies with the same CAC.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

If one company is having 90% of their customers, which are free... But that's not a customer, though.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

free, which means it doesn't pay to acquire those customers.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

If we look at our acquisition, most of our acquisition, it's a word of mouth, and it means we don't pay for those customers.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

Oh, I see, I see, I see.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

The percentage of the customer.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

And, of course, it's much more scalable when you have a pure sales-oriented team, then you can just add sales, and it will scale as...

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

Our...

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

our CAC is three times lesser, two to three times lesser than the marginal CAC.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

The marginal CAC is the maximum cost we can offer to our client.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

It's a very operational KPI we follow and we say, okay, what is the maximum price?

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

Yeah, Armand, sorry, I don't mean to cut you off.

SaaS Interviews with CEOs, Startups, Founders
1531 The Mailchimp of Europe Hits $20M in ARR, 30,000 SMB Customers

It's different, which is very different than the average because the average, you count a lot of customers which are paying and which are free.