Ash London

And I was like,

Okay.

And there started the piggyback.

So then, you know, he came back a year or two later and he was Ed Sheeran and we did the piggyback.

And I think the third or fourth, I was really fit at the time.

So he got on my back, which I couldn't do now.

Although he's lost a little weight and he's so kind of slim and trim now.

So maybe I could lift him.

But, yeah, over the years, like, you get to see them grow and then they, you know, see your studio get bigger and they come in and say, oh, my God, you've got your name on the show now.

That's so cool.

And it feels like there's a bit of kind of a mutual buy-in because we both remember when we were both kind of starting out and didn't really know what we were doing and that's what you get when you've been doing this.

I think I've been doing it like 15 years now, which...

Maybe more, which to me, I feel like I'm 15.

And that was what music has always been to me.

So in the late 90s, my family moved to Asia.

I was watching MTV.

That was my connection to the real world.

And it was like pick pop music goodness.

Christina, Britney, NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, Ricky Martin, all of the music.

And it brought me so much joy.